Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by Eufrosnia
All I am asking is the following.
What is the point of the Charismatic movement in terms of giving reasons
for people to convert to Catholicism? If there are none, then you have
to agree that this movement is not worth it?
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The Catholic Life in the Spirit Seminar, which is the introduction to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal,
presents the Catholic Faith
in terms of the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, True God and True Man,
in the Catholic Eucharist. In my humble opinion that is one of the best
reasons for converting to Catholicism. In addition, the Catholic
Charismatic Renewal emphasizes the importance of the Sacrament of
Reconciliation. In my humble opinion, the comfort of this Sacrament, in
addition to the many graces it offers for the future, is one of the best
reasons for converting to Catholicism. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal
invites people to participate in parish life and to participate in
outreach programs to the needy in the community. The Catholic means of
accomplishing good works, both religious and civil, is a bonus for
converting to Catholicism. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal offers
another avenue of prayer in addition to the current practices. This,
too, is appealing. Members of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are often
part of Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration. The idea of 24/7 prayer to
Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is also appealing to those interested in
Catholicism. Those involved, not necessarily big time, with the Catholic
Charismatic Renewal are working hard to serve Our Lord; therefore,
their example can lead people to Catholicism.
In other words, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is following the words of Jesus, Matthew 28: 18-20
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
They ever take up serpents at these gatherings ?
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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They ever take up serpents at these gatherings ?
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No.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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They ever take up serpents at these gatherings ?
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Why would you ask such a question?
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Why would you ask such a question?
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Well, they have these congregations in the hills that speak in
tongues and have the healing hands thing and all. Some of them take up
serpents as well.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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The Renewal we need is a renewal of
faith in the Real Presence. If a Catholic is getting their spiritual
hunger fed by any means other than the Eucharist, there is a problem. A
moving outside the Faith.
I believe the Holy Ghost may fill a person with faith and that a person
may speak in tongues. But I believe it is a rare occasion. These folks
that believe they can speak in tongues at will are a danger to those who
assemble with them. They reinforce a false Charism imo.
Give me a Holy Hour with Exposition and Benediction of the Blessed
Sacrament over any sort of movement not connected to the Eucharist.
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When I lived on Long Island the Catholic Charismatic group I
prayed with at my parish were led to ask our pastor if he would expose
the Blessed Sacrament for us for three hours a month, and we invited
other parishioners to come to adore Our Lord with quiet times in between
and fifteen decades of the Scriptural Rosary said slowly and
prayerfully.
He allowed this, and it went on for sometime - shortly after that I moved south and the group continued.
If the charismatic prayer group has a holy priest for an advisor it can
enhance one's faith. The purpose of all groups in the Church is to
bring us closer to our Lord as we mature spiritually. The charisms of
the Holy Spirit are in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They are
given to some for others. This builds up community.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Well, they have these congregations
in the hills that speak in tongues and have the healing hands thing and
all. Some of them take up serpents as well.
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I'm very much aware of what they are, but how are you connecting it to Catholic Charismatic Renewal?
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by Dorothy
When I lived on Long Island the
Catholic Charismatic group I prayed with at my parish were led to ask
our pastor if he would expose the Blessed Sacrament for us for three
hours a month, and we invited other parishioners to come to adore Our
Lord with quiet times in between and fifteen decades of the Scriptural
Rosary said slowly and prayerfully.
He allowed this, and it went on for sometime - shortly after that I moved south and the group continued.
If the charismatic prayer group has a holy priest for an advisor it can
enhance one's faith. The purpose of all groups in the Church is to
bring us closer to our Lord as we mature spiritually. The charisms of
the Holy Spirit are in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They are
given to some for others. This builds up community.
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Personally, I don't think I would ever be involved in any group in
the Church, Charismatic or other, that wasn't under the advisement of a
priest. If the Charismatic group is rogue, without any priestly
involvement, that is a sure sign that its not a group to be involved
with.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by 10thCrusader
I have attended several
Charismatic/Healing Masses as I wanted to make the First Friday
devotions, and it was the only Mass available. These Masses were a
rather unruly and unpleasant experience. I don't want to go into detail
for fear of spreading scandal, but there were things done in the
sanctuary before the Tabernacle that were quite inappropriate. It all
seemed very new-agey. It scandalized me somewhat, so I had to stop my
First Friday devotions in that parish.
Thankfully the FSSP provides First Friday Mass and Benediction in the parish I attend now.
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May I respectfully point out that it is your responsibility to
report abuses involved with the Eucharist or with the Holy Sacrifice of
the Mass to the proper diocesan authority.
The people to approach with your report are first the pastor, then to
the diocesan liaison to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, and when
necessary to the diocesan vicar for spirituality or the bishop. An easy
phone call to the diocesan office (your parish secretary has that phone
number) will get the phone numbers you need or the addresses if you
prefer to send a written report.
However, it is common sense to find out if what was being done was an
actual abuse of the Eucharist or of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Examples of gray areas could include "singing" or "clapping hands". Then
the question becomes were these actions respectful or unruly. The only
way, the appropriate official can do something about unruly actions
is for people to report them in a form of a valid inquiry as to what is
properly allowed.
If you do not like the answer to your first questions about possible
abuse, my suggestion is to contact the diocesan liaison for the Catholic
Charismatic Renewal.
You might also ask known leaders of the Renewal in your area.
We need to keep in mind that we are guardians of the Holy Eucharist.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by PatriceA
Personally, I don't think I would
ever be involved in any group in the Church, Charismatic or other, that
wasn't under the advisement of a priest. If the Charismatic group is
rogue, without any priestly involvement, that is a sure sign that its
not a group to be involved with.
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Please see post 54 for Catholic responsibility.
Regarding a "rogue" group--
In any case, involving any kind of a Charismatic group, it is the
Catholic's responsibility to check with the Diocesan Office to see if
this group is approved.
Note: there may be informal prayer groups. Check those with the Pastor
and possibility with the Diocesan Office. Often there are friends who
form prayer groups which are sincere endeavors, but not formally
charismatic. One has to use good judgment.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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I'm very much aware of what they are, but how are you connecting it to Catholic Charismatic Renewal?
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Well, the youtube videos make some of these services look very much like Protestant Pentecostal services.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by grannymh
Please see post 54 for Catholic responsibility.
Regarding a "rogue" group--
In any case, involving any kind of a Charismatic group, it is the
Catholic's responsibility to check with the Diocesan Office to see if
this group is approved.
Note: there may be informal prayer groups. Check those with the Pastor
and possibility with the Diocesan Office. Often there are friends who
form prayer groups which are sincere endeavors, but not formally
charismatic. One has to use good judgment.
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Actually granny, I agree with you. I wasn't the one that is
having problems with questionable activities at certain Masses. Abuses
can occur in any parish, in any Mass as well. Your advice in the
previous post should be applied to any situation where on thinks abuses
may be occurring, not only Charismatic Masses.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Well, the youtube videos make some of these services look very much like Protestant Pentecostal services.
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So you are going by what someone posted on youtube to base your opinion on the Charismatic movement?
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by PatriceA
Actually granny, I agree with you. I
wasn't the one that is having problems with questionable activities at
certain Masses. Abuses can occur in any parish, in any Mass as well.
Your advice in the previous post should be applied to any situation
where on thinks abuses may be occurring, not only Charismatic Masses.
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Yes, I knew you were not the poster I replied to. Your agreement
and extension to all questionable situations is appreciated. Sometimes,
there are serious reasons why we need to tattle in an adult manner.
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Re: Charismatic Renewal?
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Originally Posted by grannymh
The Catholic Life in the Spirit Seminar, which is the introduction to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, presents the Catholic Faith
in terms of the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, True God and True Man,
in the Catholic Eucharist. In my humble opinion that is one of the best
reasons for converting to Catholicism. In addition, the Catholic
Charismatic Renewal emphasizes the importance of the Sacrament of
Reconciliation. In my humble opinion, the comfort of this Sacrament, in
addition to the many graces it offers for the future, is one of the best
reasons for converting to Catholicism. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal
invites people to participate in parish life and to participate in
outreach programs to the needy in the community. The Catholic means of
accomplishing good works, both religious and civil, is a bonus for
converting to Catholicism. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal offers
another avenue of prayer in addition to the current practices. This,
too, is appealing. Members of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are often
part of Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration. The idea of 24/7 prayer to
Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is also appealing to those interested in
Catholicism. Those involved, not necessarily big time, with the Catholic
Charismatic Renewal are working hard to serve Our Lord; therefore,
their example can lead people to Catholicism.
In other words, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is following the words of Jesus, Matthew 28: 18-20
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thanks for the "normal" info -- i ve been involved with the catholic charismatic since 1969,
and was part of another group in 1999 -- in the 30 years there was not a lot of spiritual progression--
but as this thread demonstrated-
- there is not a lot of catholics seeking to be filled with the Holy Spirit -- in a way defined as charasmetic-
it is obvious that this group has not even figured out how the "gifts of the Holy spirit " actually work--
you think that if you have a good idea -- then it must be the Holy Spirit--
or if you "quote" enough scripture-- then you get the upper hand- and it must be the Holy Spirit that is inspiring you - LOL 
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